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God vs Satan by ResponsibleAtheist God vs Satan by ResponsibleAtheist

THIS ISNīT SUPPORTING SATANISM. IīM NOT ALLOWING ANY REQUESTS FROM SATANISTIC GROUPS!!!

 

Seriously, there are many reasons why God is worse than Satan:

1. God was the one who created Satan. Since God is omniscient, he knew that Satan would cause suffering.
2. In the Bible, God has killed way more people than Satan (after all, Satan never killed almost EVERYONE in the world)
3. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God tells David to number Israel and Judah, while in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it's Satan who supposedly told David to number Israel. This would mean that God and Satan are the SAME being.

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ChronoMovieLord13 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2016  Professional Writer
So... If God is worse than Satan, what will happen to all of us humans?
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NoOreoForu Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2016  New Deviant
He created Satan? WAAAAAAAAT?
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ImdaBatman Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
as a friend once told me, God cannot be both omniscient AND benevolent
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tultsi93 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Not idea, I don't even care. I don't believe in God or Satan.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2015
Spoiler Alert: God wins, no challenge.
While the view is interesting on Satan, that is only if Satan were nothing more than a clock work doll, or a piece set to play only one role.
1. God created Satan/Lucifer and all creation. Satan became jealous of God and incited a rebellion against God and became sinful and fell. Logically, while God created all the angels of Heaven he very well also gave them their own will and choices. (Same goes for man in the Garden of Eden, they were tempted, not forced to take the fruit.)
2. God is a righteous God who is perfect, when God flooded the Earth it was to rid the world of the sin that the fallen angels had incited and to get rid of the Nephilim. God had a right to judge man in the garden for their sin there, but he made to them a promise to send a savior, Jesus Christ, to atone for their sin. While Satan may not care if they live or die, he is ultimately tempting and leading them away. It was mans choice to sin and fall from God.
3.  2 Samuel 24:1-2 "Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."" The word 'incited' indicates that was was not God but a messenger sent by God. Satan tempted and told the king what to do, but Jacob was not deceived by this command, 2 Samuel 24:3 "But Jacob replied to the king, "May the Lord your God multiply the troops a hundred times over, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?" This was an act of judgement against Israel for their king breaking this law. God did not send one of His angels but sent Satan, showing how even Satan must submit to God's almighty will. This shows a chance to avoid the temptation with what Jacob says and shows how the king/ man ultimately chose to give in.
     While God is perfect and judges, He also gives forgiveness of sins and gave the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, Jesus Christ. To reject such grace is the choice of man and the temptations of Satan.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2015
1. God knew that creating Satan would only cause trouble, so what reason would he have had to create him? In this scenario, God is like someone releasing a tiger in a crowded area. Sure the tiger is mauling people out of it's own free will, but that doesn't mean that the person who released him (while knowing full well what the tiger was going to do) was blameless.
2. Why did God create those fallen angels and Nephilim in the first place?
3. Why would Satan be Gods servant at times and yet be his arch-nemesis at other times?
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2015
My replies:
1. Even the angels in Heaven have free will. They see God's glory continually and exalt Him for it. Stories suggest Lucifer was the Highest angel and wanted to be God who is perfect. This greed and jealousy falls outside of God's perfection and so he fell from perfection. Why did God create Lucifer? In stories, it was to lead the angels in worship to my knowledge. But just cause God created him does not mean he created him to fall and do evil. These questions ultimately deal with the realm/ dimension of angels that scripture does not cover and man was not meant to tread in (but man will try and try again until the end).
 Similarly we could continue to play the blame game as Adam and Eve did. Just cause one man invented a gun and knew it would be used for evil does that mean we are to blame all the past crimes with them on it's creator? Just cause man miss uses things that were intended for good does that make its creator at fault?
2. God did not create fallen angels, he created perfect angels and beings. In the same way God did not create the Nephilim, but the fallen created these abominations upon the Earth and defiled the genetics of man.
3. Satan's goal has been the eradication of man kind and at the very least those who serve God. Just like in the story of Job (Job 1:6 - 2:10) where God allowed Satan to test Job's faith, Satan is eager to fill that role and to destroy. But God will never allow for you or anyone to be tempted beyond their measure of faith. 1 Corinthians 10:13 "No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear..."

I apologize if the first reply is still unclear to you. Since it is not Biblically based (to my knowledge) and falls in the realm of angels and outside of our perceived existence, we can only speculate until man can force open those forbidden portals.
One more thing for you to think on the topic of free will and the Garden of Eden. When Eve took the apple and ate from the tree (as did Adam, he shares his own blame for this tragedy) she blamed the serpent who tempted her, while we can continue blaming everyone for our own poor decisions they were to blame for their own actions. If I curse someones name in anger, I still committed the sin and not the one who angered me. No matter when I sin or how long ago I have sinned I repent and turn away from those evils and even when I fall Jesus's sacrifice on the cross was done for me and all man kind, all we have to do is accepted this Grace.
I hope these replies may help answer your questions. I ask that you continue researching and seeking the truth. Maybe you'll find and want to know more about God. I've enjoyed the time to discuss with you, as I enjoy speculating that which man was not made to understand as well.
I'm sure we'll continue this or discuss other topics at a later date.
God bless you.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2015
1. ''But just cause God created him does not mean he created him to fall and do evil''. But God did know that those would be the results of creating the devil. And if a man creates a gun KNOWING that it will be used for evil, than he is responsible to some extent.
2. And God could have prevented the fallen from creating those abominations.

When people purposely manipulate us into doing something, they share at least part of the blame. If a man commits suicide because someone threatened to otherwise kill his wife, is the man who threatened him supposed to be blameless?
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2015
Isn't speculation and philosophy a fun topic? I think it is.
Now for another perspective.
1. I would like to start out by saying I believe in God being All-Powerfull, All-Knowing, and Perfect Benevolence. Now while I see where your idea on the idea could be correct, my view of God is not the only view either. Many other theologians have other such views that have often limited one of these three aspects in order to fit their understanding and would easily explain this (ex. Process Theology). Like I said I don't agree with that sort of view but they too a applicable speculations on God. Back to our gun example: Ultimately this goes back to free will. Even if the created being (or object) can serve an evil purpose doesn't mean it has too. Ultimately we don't know the exact reason he (or it) fell or if temptation is a requirement to have free will.
2. This point also points to free will. From what lore that I have read these people chose to serve or worship the fallen. Perhaps it was wonders that they could perform on the earth or just that they work creatures of greater abilities; since those people chose to abide with the fallen and create the abominations they had to suffer for their actions as many others suffered for the first persons choice.

"When people purposely manipulate us into doing something..." This seems a little off the original topic of God, but yes. If someone forces someone to perform something they are partially responsible. Whether good or bad. If you force someone to go rock climbing and they enjoy it they may thank you for the experience. This draws away from the topic of Lucifer choosing to rebel against God.
Your example fits with what I would expect Lucifer to do. The book of Job is an excellent example of this. Satan asks to test Job's faith, God allows it. One of the results killed 10 of his children. Does that make God a Murderer?! No (if anything it could easily be explained as judgement of sins). God allowed him to test Job, Lucifer could have left that aspect of his life alone or tested him in other ways, but he chose to be harsh and destructive. This too leads back to free will. Satan wanted Job to curse God and, worse than threaten, took all his possessions and health away. This story can be found in Job chapters 1 and 2.

I hope this provides more insight and clarity. I do apologize for another long comment, I like to try to make my points clear.
God bless you and keep on seeking the truth.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015
1. If you believe that God lacks one of those three omni-traits, than the problem I proposed is indeed not as big a problem. If God really couldn't forsee Satan becoming evil, and wasn't able to prevent him from doing evil stuff, than there is no logical problem. But regarding your ''free will'' point; allowing someone to do something (while you were able to stop him/her) still leaves you at least partly responsible, even if that someone was acting on his own free will. If you release a ferocious carnivore into a kindergarten, knowing ahead of time that it will kill the children, you're still responsible, even if the creature was acting on his own free will. 
2. Free Will is not the same as freedom. You can restrict/sabotage someone without affecting their free will (a.k.a their ability to control their own actions). For example, God can prevent someone from shooting people by sabotaging the gun, which wouldn't affect that person's free will. 

In the case of Job, God was still (partly) responsible for what happened to Job. God could have interfered with Lucifer's actions if he didn't want those actions to happen. If a cop (or other authority figure) turns a blind eye to someone doing something bad, the cop should also be hold accountable. There's a reason why we punish authority figures who take bribes. Also, even if you  prove that the things that God allowed to happen should have been allowed to happen, it doesn't change the fact that he was partly responsible for those things.
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Knght-Zero Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015
1.) "Free Will" all your perspectives are geared toward view the wrong actions. In order to understand free will you should view all the possibilities. A person has a carnivore and is considering releasing it in a school to do damage (Clearly we have a case of mental illness over any reasonable action).
   a.) He releases it and harms several people. God knew this as an outcome and knows what will follow. That individual can still act but will now face the consequences for his actions.
       "What about all the lives that were lost?" For him there will be judgement for his crimes on Earth and there will be judgement for him after if he does not seek redemption and forgiveness. For those who died... this is where we differ on views. In every case we have gone through your view has ended at death, much like the story of Job for his children, but what came after. If death is the end, what's it matter if there is a god or not and what's it matter for what evils are done, death would be the end and what's done will have been done. Let's go back to examine the other case...
   b.) He changes his mind and decides to either return the beast where he got it or release where it belongs. This indicates a growth on his part resisting that ill willed temptation brought before him. As I said before we aren't certain that "free will" requires the force or act of those who are absent from God. Much the same that I believe there will be free will in Heaven would indicate otherwise, but curiosity and being either partially or wholly separated from God temptations or acts.
2.) Free will verse freedom. I read one of your articles on free will, a lot of the general ideas sounded okay, but your examples seemed a little poor at the time much like your cop examples. The gun example also assumes that death is the end and there by the worst possible outcome.
   Your cop example shows the cop doing something bad in response to a bad act in progress. A correct comparison would be the way most systems work today. You cannot convict some one in this world for an act that hasn't been committed yet without the evidence of them pursuing that act. In other words they are not guilty until they have pursued what is wrong. If a cop turns a blind eye to evil being done in the act it would be a crime on the cop's part. If the cop confronts the individual before he embarks on the possibility of committing a crime no wrongs have been done on either part. After the confrontation what the individual does will determine if he is a criminal or not.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2015
1) a) Murdering people is not necessarily caused by mental illness. I used a kindergarten as the setting to make the situation in my metaphor less ambiguously harmful. And I wasn't talking about what God should do to that person, but about whether or not that person was responsible for what he did. On a side note: if there isn't an afterlife, than you could argue that death is even worse, since it doesn't result in paradise. My point about the Job story was to prove that God shares responsibility for what happened. Whether what happened was right or wrong is a different discussion.
b) Why are you going on about the afterlife? I thought this whole discussion was about whether or not God was (partly or entirely) responsible for what Satan does? At least that's what I've been talking about this whole time. If you want to talk about something else, that's fine, but it seems like you don't know what subject I'm talking about.

2) What is a worse outcome than being murdered? 

''If a cop turns a blind eye to evil being done in the act it would be a crime on the cop's part.''

You do realize that that was EXACTLY THE POINT I was trying to make? In my metaphor, the cop was a analogy for God.
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Jaddypupof8114 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
Spoiler alert: They're brothers.
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1-M-3-A-3-U-7-S Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Spoiler alert: both are liars and hypocrites X3
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belial1980 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015
Spoiler alert: both are invented by man :)
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1-M-3-A-3-U-7-S Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015
X3
You mad, creationists?
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Venelebat Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Satan definitely seems like the better man. Even if that's an unpopular opinion. But I think we can all agree he's the sexy one B)
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Matsumora-Sanosuke Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2015
Satan!
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NearRyuzaki90 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Try unseeing this interpretation: Satan didn't agree with God, so God threw a hissy fit, deemed Satan evil and kicked him out. Compare Satan with God, and who looks to be the bigger hypocrite? 
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner May 29, 2015
Your all dumb... The greatest god of them all is Azathoth, the true creator of all existence! www.deviantart.com/art/Azathot…
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
At least you are not an atheist!
i think because you believe in your god!
but sadly a false god!
Azathoth a false god!
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
Umm... Its a joke bro and I am a atheist so yeah... :umm:  
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner May 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
My God is Good , all the time !
And All the Time , He is Good !
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner May 29, 2015
Your god is a bitch compared to Azathoth, the true creator of all existence. shanegallagher.deviantart.com/… Here he is in all his glory!
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner Edited May 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
say what you want to say! you are free!
What inside you comes out!
If inside you is good , then good things or good words will come out!
If evil is inside you or dirty things inside you , it will come out!
You become who you worship!
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
You don't have to tell me I'm free bro, I already know.
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Azathoth is not a true god!
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WeActOnImpulse Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You should see a psychiatrist because you're obviously mentally challenged.
Azazoth is from HP Lovecraft's books, he's a meme because of Cthulu. Literally 2 seconds of Googling would have taught you that.


In fact you should Google more often, you might end up being smart or something. Here's something to get you started. godisimaginary.com/
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
Ah but can you disprove he's not? Just wondering
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NoobLord9001 Featured By Owner Edited May 15, 2015
In old Greek and possibly Roman mythology, the correct answer would be neither. Neither of them are the good guy.
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner Edited May 14, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
One of God's attribute is " Wrath " , that's why most people denies Him and hates Him !
Sometimes He uses Satan to express His wrath to those who dis obey Him , to those ungodly , and evil doers!
Because they don't obey  God , they don't believe in Him , it means they are expressing hate to God.
That's why God let the people to do what they want.
We can hate Him now , we can say He does not exist , that there is no God!
We can say He is evil than Satan .. we can say and do whatever we want , we have free well.
And God expresses His wrath towards evil.
God is not just love , must accept it !
This not religion , this is reality !
                                                                     Romans 1:18-22  New International Version (NIV)
                                                                                  God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner May 15, 2015
Not believing in someone's existence is not the same as hating him. I don't believe that Superman exists, but that doesn't mean that I hate him.

''For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.''

How can you say that INVISIBLE qualities are clearly seen? And if his existence and exact qualities are really this obvious, there wouldn't be this many different religions, or this many versions of Christianity.

And why did your next message only include stuff that you already posted in the previous message?
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner Edited May 15, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
The Bible said it , and i know you do not believe the Bible!
No need to explain , i don't need to explain or interpret it , we will just argue , and no one will win!
The mercy of God through Christ Jesus is still available now , and its free , don't reject it while its still available!
I know many people ,  famous or ordinary , they rejected God!
But when they are in their deathbed , they are full of fear and regret !
I know they know God , they just don't believe it and i believe you do.
IF you don't believe in God , don't believe in death , don't believe in heaven and Hell.
And we don't need to explain death because we cant ,and nobody cant,
because no one have been there and came back  except Jesus,
when he died and rose from the dead after 3 days.. maybe you call Him a zombie , some said He is .. you can call Him whatever you want.
Religion cannot save us , only Jesus Christ can .
Just want to tell you the truth.
There is God , we experience Him everyday , His Love , His unending mercy , His forgiveness even though we are not worthy people.
We live in His promise , we believe in His message .. and we are changed !
Though there are hardship , trouble , we believe in Him.
Salvation is Free , but through Jesus , not Religion!

"And if his existence and exact qualities are really this obvious, there wouldn't be this many different religions, or this many versions of Christianity"
That is Religion , not just about God , but gods , their gods !
 
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
"Atheists express their rage against God although in their view He does not exist." - C.S. Lewis
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WeActOnImpulse Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not even an atheist and I know god is imaginary. Even jesus himself said it.
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner May 29, 2015
What rage? I can not have rage for something that does not exist.rainbow frog Pwned
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Akhotoh Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
You better ask the Atheist!
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ExoticBear Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
Ask what? That I'm right? I don't need too, I already know.
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Roth1000 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
There both evil monsters.
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Hentaiprinz Featured By Owner Edited Mar 17, 2015
broken english
a being like an omniscient god gives a fck about dualism BUT he has to create an "enemy" so that dumb humans can see differences between a "good" being and a "evil" being. the hebrew bible has a very small dualism. god is the guy who is doing everything. the dualism was finished in the christian bible. the reasons r just simple cause try to explain e guy that he is saved from jesus without a "evil" opponent. this would be hard. so it had to be a dualism.
i think that jesus and satan r the same person. jesus is the savior in the bible. but without the "evil", jesus would never be a savior  and god is omniscient. the savlation is not the death of jesus, the salvation is the first sin. without the first sin the humanity would never be saved (hard to explain in english, hope u understood).

hope that my english was readable

EDIT 1: i'm not a christian but i think alot about theological concepts. christians r just like a stone. they read the bible in the way the church want it. i read the bible cause i can fidn alot of interessing things there. the philosophy is not that izi as chritians say. i believe in a divine existence, but not in a revelation.
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Preston-Kei Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The testaments have had more reboots than Spider-Man. Seriously, there are more versions of this particular gods than there are nerdy comic book teenagers who shoot spider webs. And all of them are different. Sometimes God has all port and other times less. In some religions, Jesus is god.
To be honest, I was emotionally disturbed and bothered for months when someone threatened me with hell just for not knowing about a being existing. I couldn't understand. I thought a being that represented all good on earth wouldn't be so cruel and dictatorial. The fact that such a being of "good" would make such a threat frightened and shocked me. After reaserch I found that this was only one of millions on interpretations.
Either way, my opinion is this. What's important about religions isn't the gods, but the morals. Love, generosity, compassion. All of the things that make this world enjoyable for many of us.
Personally, I let go of literal meanings a long time ago and looked for what was truly important. The lessons about kindness.
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015
Fair enough, but there are secular philosophies and systems of meaning that include all the nice stuff without all the Old Testament barbarity or the New Testament ''this will send you to hell'' nonsense.
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Preston-Kei Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Mm, indeedly so. I haven't encountered them yet so I'll go look for them.
By the way, good to meet you sir. I'm Preston. I have no specific beliefs so I'm usually one to play referee.
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ryutaro-fukami Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hail Satan!
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SatanDevil666 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
HAIL SATAN!!!!!!
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Nutcase9 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2015  Student General Artist
Satan!
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WeActOnImpulse Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, pretty much.
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AmericaTheHero1337 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I don't understand what point you're trying to get across. The images that you've chosen poorly represent that God is supposed to be the bad guy and Satan the good.
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EnriqueArreguin777 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
1. God created everything, but in free will. He's not allowed to tell you how to live your life. He just tells you how it works, then you must decide what to follow. Lucifer chose to defy God's will and refused to bow down to mankind like the other children of God did. But God has a plan for everything. Satan will never win. Justice Always prevails, even if it takes a long period of time.

2. God is allowed to take away what he has given. He saw mankind's true intentions and the evil in our hearts. He used the flood to baptize the Earth, and sparred Noah and his family, making them start life all over again. Also, Noah warned many about what was to happen, and nobody listened or believed. So they perished...
Satan actually killed a few individuals himself. Some say 10 according to the wager he and God had. Others believe it ranges in the hundreds, though not as many as God. But Satan did this out of evil. God took all those lives into Paradise with him, making the reality appear in fact that he actually saved them and ceased their suffering.

3. God and Satan are not the same being. When God speaks, even Lucifer must obey. Though he defies him, he still fears him.

I am assuming you're an atheist who took the context too literal. But take this from a child of God who knows his faith and accepts His will. 
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ResponsibleAtheist Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014
1. What was the point of creating Satan? Why couldn't God just take away his powers (which doesn't interefere with free will).
2. What about the children who didn't do anything? And war, racism, rape and so on simply continued afterwards, so it didn't really solve anything. And what reasons did Satan have for them? If committing several acts of genocide and infanticide is completely devoid of evil, doing something truly evil sounds quite difficult.
3. Nothing about your exuses implies that you're taking a less literal approach to the Bible than I did. And tons of Christians treat the Bible literally, and since they include most fundamentalists and extremists, that's the approach I take in these images and articles.
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