THIS ISNīT SUPPORTING SATANISM. IīM NOT ALLOWING ANY REQUESTS FROM SATANISTIC GROUPS!!!
Seriously, there are many reasons why God is worse than Satan:
1. God was the one who created Satan. Since God is omniscient, he knew that Satan would cause suffering.
2. In the Bible, God has killed way more people than Satan (after all, Satan never killed almost EVERYONE in the world)
3. In 2 Samuel 24:1, God tells David to number Israel and Judah, while in 1 Chronicles 21:1, it's Satan who supposedly told David to number Israel. This would mean that God and Satan are the SAME being.
Sometimes He uses Satan to express His wrath to those who dis obey Him , to those ungodly , and evil doers!
Because they don't obey God , they don't believe in Him , it means they are expressing hate to God.
That's why God let the people to do what they want.
We can hate Him now , we can say He does not exist , that there is no God!
We can say He is evil than Satan .. we can say and do whatever we want , we have free well.
And God expresses His wrath towards evil.
God is not just love , must accept it !
This not religion , this is reality !
Romans 1:18-22 New International Version (NIV)
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools.
''For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.''
How can you say that INVISIBLE qualities are clearly seen? And if his existence and exact qualities are really this obvious, there wouldn't be this many different religions, or this many versions of Christianity.
And why did your next message only include stuff that you already posted in the previous message?
No need to explain , i don't need to explain or interpret it , we will just argue , and no one will win!
The mercy of God through Christ Jesus is still available now , and its free , don't reject it while its still available!
I know many people , famous or ordinary , they rejected God!
But when they are in their deathbed , they are full of fear and regret !
I know they know God , they just don't believe it and i believe you do.
IF you don't believe in God , don't believe in death , don't believe in heaven and Hell.
And we don't need to explain death because we cant ,and nobody cant,
because no one have been there and came back except Jesus,
when he died and rose from the dead after 3 days.. maybe you call Him a zombie , some said He is .. you can call Him whatever you want.
Religion cannot save us , only Jesus Christ can .
Just want to tell you the truth.
There is God , we experience Him everyday , His Love , His unending mercy , His forgiveness even though we are not worthy people.
We live in His promise , we believe in His message .. and we are changed !
Though there are hardship , trouble , we believe in Him.
Salvation is Free , but through Jesus , not Religion!
"And if his existence and exact qualities are really this obvious, there wouldn't be this many different religions, or this many versions of Christianity"
That is Religion , not just about God , but gods , their gods !
a being like an omniscient god gives a fck about dualism BUT he has to create an "enemy" so that dumb humans can see differences between a "good" being and a "evil" being. the hebrew bible has a very small dualism. god is the guy who is doing everything. the dualism was finished in the christian bible. the reasons r just simple cause try to explain e guy that he is saved from jesus without a "evil" opponent. this would be hard. so it had to be a dualism.
i think that jesus and satan r the same person. jesus is the savior in the bible. but without the "evil", jesus would never be a savior and god is omniscient. the savlation is not the death of jesus, the salvation is the first sin. without the first sin the humanity would never be saved (hard to explain in english, hope u understood).
hope that my english was readable
EDIT 1: i'm not a christian but i think alot about theological concepts. christians r just like a stone. they read the bible in the way the church want it. i read the bible cause i can fidn alot of interessing things there. the philosophy is not that izi as chritians say. i believe in a divine existence, but not in a revelation.
To be honest, I was emotionally disturbed and bothered for months when someone threatened me with hell just for not knowing about a being existing. I couldn't understand. I thought a being that represented all good on earth wouldn't be so cruel and dictatorial. The fact that such a being of "good" would make such a threat frightened and shocked me. After reaserch I found that this was only one of millions on interpretations.
Either way, my opinion is this. What's important about religions isn't the gods, but the morals. Love, generosity, compassion. All of the things that make this world enjoyable for many of us.
Personally, I let go of literal meanings a long time ago and looked for what was truly important. The lessons about kindness.
2. God is allowed to take away what he has given. He saw mankind's true intentions and the evil in our hearts. He used the flood to baptize the Earth, and sparred Noah and his family, making them start life all over again. Also, Noah warned many about what was to happen, and nobody listened or believed. So they perished...
Satan actually killed a few individuals himself. Some say 10 according to the wager he and God had. Others believe it ranges in the hundreds, though not as many as God. But Satan did this out of evil. God took all those lives into Paradise with him, making the reality appear in fact that he actually saved them and ceased their suffering.
3. God and Satan are not the same being. When God speaks, even Lucifer must obey. Though he defies him, he still fears him.
I am assuming you're an atheist who took the context too literal. But take this from a child of God who knows his faith and accepts His will.
2. What about the children who didn't do anything? And war, racism, rape and so on simply continued afterwards, so it didn't really solve anything. And what reasons did Satan have for them? If committing several acts of genocide and infanticide is completely devoid of evil, doing something truly evil sounds quite difficult.
3. Nothing about your exuses implies that you're taking a less literal approach to the Bible than I did. And tons of Christians treat the Bible literally, and since they include most fundamentalists and extremists, that's the approach I take in these images and articles.
2.No reason. And really, all Satan did was influence evil through time. Mankind here really did the sins. God is not to blame for our past sins. It is man's true intentions and nature. We can make any invention, then attach something deadly and create a weapon. Einstein was only a genius for having the bluprints for the explosives, when really he wasn't that smart. Comitting evil seems pretty easy to do, but doing the right thing takes some thought.
3. I will be honest with you and say there are rarely any Christians left. These so called Christians are using God's name for their extreme morals and values, something God didn't teach. He gave us free will. Also, the bible is written in code for intelligent minds. Take the snake who spoke to Eve to eat the apple. A snake was the term used for a known liar. The devil appears as a snake to Eve. he was already a known angel, but suddenly appeared a liar. There are many things that shouldn't be taken literal, including the Holy war.It's a war with ourselves, not everyone around us. Really, our church has been corrupted. But at least some of us know...
And now you know too.
2. If God designed humans, he also designed human nature. He's therefor responsible for actions resulting from human nature. And since Einstein did design the bluprints (and also did A LOT MORE in his life than that), I would say that he's pretty smart.
3. If you claim to accept Jesus as your lord and savior, you're a Christian. Christians are therefor still the majority. And wouldn't God want as many people as possible to understand his teachings and wishes?
2. Just with a thought, God could make science die, or even move forward.
3. He would love that, but he said force isn't the way. He made man in his image, but with free will. You may accept him or not. Some people use the excuse that they are clean and can help those who don't believe to be saved. I think we're all dirty. You're more innocent if you don't know what not to sin, then for us Christians who teach, but don't follow what we teach. You can see why the persecution continues. God isn't to blame. He's not the bad guy. You and me are the bad guys.
Some say this is a test of God. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, you and I may as well be responsible for the world's troubles since we watch them and do nothing.
2. Science is simply using experiments and empirical observation to make conclusions about reality. You can't make it die.
3. It doesn't interfere with free will when you simply make yourself easy to understand. If God is omniscient, than he knows exactly how to convince people of his existence. And if we are evil because of our nature, than the being who gave us our nature is responsible for that evil.
''Either way, you and I may as well be responsible for the world's troubles since we watch them and do nothing''
You mean like God does?
Not us. God can make science disappear if he wanted to.
Yes, it does interfere. It's similar to when you want to do your own stuff but your father is standing in front of you, watching you. Say you create something with so much love and care, but ends up evil. Are you evil for this? We're not necessarily evil since many of us learn and repent for our misdeeds.
God always acts. Everything happens for a reason. People die for a reason. People suffer for a reason. Don't take this out on God. A true athiest wouldn't blame someone he or she doesn't believe in. You were better off blaming me, yourself, and the human race for being savage.
The argument could've been pushed to other gods, yet you chose to blame the true living God. My friend, you acknowledge his existence. What I don't understand is why you can't take responsibility. Why is God the bad guy here. He has Never committed an act of evil, yet you and me have. Why not say you're a bad person, or I'm a bad person?
How? By disproving certain conclusions drawn by scientists? That wouldn't make the scientific method die, just some conclusions drawn by scientists.
When your dad doesn't allow you to do something, he's only interfering with your freedom, not with your free will. If he was brainwashing or hypnotizing you to do things you don't want to do, than he's interfering with your free will. Freedom and free will aren't the same thing. We interfere with people's freedom all the time when it's for the greater good. That's why we have prisons.
''Are you evil for this?''
If you knew that it was going to be evil and harmful, but you created it anyway, than you are evil for this. Would you defend someone who releases a deadly virus in the drinking water while he was fully aware of the horrible consequences it was going to have?
''A true athiest wouldn't blame someone he or she doesn't believe in.''
I'm not blaming God for allowing horrible things to happen in the same way that I don't blame Santa Clause for not delivering me presents this year. I'm just saying that if God existed (as you claim), than he couldn't be considered a good being. In reality I blame humanity for the evil things it does, because I know that there isn't a god who controls and manipulates these things.
''He has Never committed an act of evil, yet you and me have''
The reason I'm not blaming other gods in this discussion is because these aren't gods that you are defending. If I was having this discussion with a Muslim, I would be arguing that Allah was bad.
What would you consider an evil act from God? What action is God able to commit that even you wouldn't defend? If there isn't any, than maybe you should consider the fact that you blindly accept whatever you believe God throws at you and other people.
First, Satan is NOT the creation of anyone, including (if not "first") "God", whatever his name is. Satan is at least as old as "God/nameless divinity" and pre-dates the birth of the world and (obviously) Christianity by millions of years.
Secondly, the level of "evil" of a deity you probably never spoke with (I assume so at least) can't in any measure come from a book that was wrote by humans, even less by Christians which obviously side with their "God".
And thirdly.. have you ever actually read the Bible? If you did you'd be bound to know that it includes an endless list of horrible atrocities against people, not just bad ones too, coming FROM "God" and acknowledging "God" 's incredibly sadistic nature, certainly NOT his "love" for mankind.. he seems to hate it if anything and create episodes and situation in which a person loses his/her mind while trying to meet his expectations, failing and finding everything he/she loves wiped out/killed/destroyed BY "God".
So I'd say that while the Christians worship a deity that is extremely clearly (once you read the book) a monster who commits nefarious deeds at every given time and highly dislikes humans, Satan is only mentioned within a very few sequences and isn't attribuited any particular atrocity other than going up against "God" and therefore being sent in disgrace in Hell.
Let us all now question.. what could have Satan (this fictional Christian approved Satan) possibly said to "God" to deserve such a terrible fate...? Maybe "Why are you being such a dick with mankind?"
We may never know, if we ask a church, a priest, or any Pope that ever was. But maybe we should all consider that when in ancient times people were rumored to speak WITH the Gods for their help or approval (and not with sacrifices, which are highly offensive as all use of blood and flesh and bones and whatnot).. maybe those weren't rumors, and those "ancient savages" knew about Gods way better than today's humans.. who rely on the empty lying words of people who call themselves priest or whatever WHO have more than likely never EVER spoke with a deity before and maybe don't ever believe in their existance.
Do your math.. things aren't so difficult to figure out. I'll give you a hint: it's pretty much all just upside down.
''And thirdly.. have you ever actually read the Bible? If you did you'd be bound to know that it includes an endless list of horrible atrocities against people, not just bad ones too, coming FROM "God" and acknowledging "God" 's incredibly sadistic nature, certainly NOT his "love" for mankind..''
You REALLY haven't read the description, have you?
Christianity can believe whatever it wants, it can say Santa Claus is an elf from Mordor and only brings gifts to the Jews. It STILL won't matter because to believe what Christianity says one MUST assume that is 100% accurate.
My point of view comes from knowing the events and Gods themselves and asking them all for the one and only briefing about what happened. Satan never was an "angel of God" or anything like it, not did he ever have less power, nor was he (or any other God) ever created "by God". That is absolute nonsense, invented to confuse and lead people on a weak path of acceptance and forget not to be enslaved by lies told by the humans who run churches and other mass controlling istitutions that last milliennia BECAUSE people keep not bothering looking elsewhere for the ONLY one Truth but just believe anything that is taught them.
That's pretty much it. If you want to believe the 2000 years old lies.. be my guest, what happens to you and your grandchildren and their grandchildren is none of my concern. If you want to make your OWN research about the REAL Truth about everything in history, I'll consider you wiser than I do now and you'll be free to choose whatever you can change in life.
And what religion are you a part of? Which gods did you contact? What proof do you have that you had actual contact with gods.
What I'm saying is basically, I have never believed a word from religions (any religion or belief) without any proof that was REALLY good enough for me to understand and believe (and I won't say "some book" written by some human some time ago is any sort of proof, anyone can write a book and say it was God who told them to do it). So I run years of research by myself on anything that didn't make sense in the world: ghosts, paranormal phenomena, psychic powers, energy, yoga, meditation, ancient civilizations. Anything I didn't have an answer to and that no living "priest" or pope or whatever human can "just know" and give me made up misleading information.
Turns out there's a lot more that the untrained eye can see and much more that we normally can't sense. Real Gods live in a dimension different from ours so we can't "just see them" and people who usually witness what they ignorantly call angels or black lights or anything actually are perceiving the existence of a deity. They're (in my experience) extremely friendly and wise and know a lot about all science and matters that daily happen on the Earth we know. They don't appear at all as "monsters" but are extremely attractive, way more genuine than any human model or actor/actress you see on tv who people refer to as "perfect". When you get to know the Gods you understand perfection is still way too far from those people as the beauty you learn to see isn't that of matter but that of the soul, you perceive and learn to appreciate the benefits and beauty of pure energy. Hence, you start using meditation to increase your ability to perceive and empower your own soul making it used to higher amounts of energy at a time. That increases tremendously your health and the more you learn from energy the more you understand how foolish it was to live a life without such knowledge. As for the probable "what do they want from us" question you may want to ask, I'll speak from experience cuz they never said they want anything "from" me. They help in so many ways I can't begin to name them all as (I realize) I just started learning something more valuable from them, they give great advice for living well, overcome poverty of mind, erase the chances to get ill in the future (just imagine how doctors and today's pharmaceutical institutions would describe them if they perceived them as a threat to their business), increase the odds to learn psychic abilities that are latent in our mind, teach a whole lot of stuff I can't even remember in order to make you a list.. basically, they do all they can to try and teach us how to evolve into anything closer to what they already are and all they ask in return is our friendship and mutual respect.
Your name, ResponsibleAtheist, suggests you are a person who hardly believes in anything "religious" or I guess supernatural and spiritual, so it is even less my intention to try to "force" you into learning anything for yourself or believe any word I said so far. What however I feel is my duty is to try to clarify to you the nature of a real God or Goddess as, after everything I've known and made sure of, I can't help but feel them as very close friends and want to defend their good name in a world where every ancient knowledge has been suppressed and corrupted by a few men who will do anything to ensure their foolish, one lifespanned, control over ignorant masses by speaking good of a "God" they probably never spoke with and call evil everything else they don't even know and didn't care to look up or get acquainted with.
That said, dear dude, this is what I know for sure for MYself. And I'm terribly happy with it and wouldn't give it up if you offered me a million bucks because the knowledge I gain from them is, in the long run, way more valuable than some cash with a finite value. At this point, if you like, I'll try to answer any answer you might have. I don't have ALL the answers nor want to pretend I do to act cool or as if I'm better than you or anyone else but I'll try to formulate a logic and plausible one.
one of gods acts was to create man and what not,
how is satan and god the same being only for telling david to number israel and judah
but then again, can you at least show me more reaons why god is worse than satan do you have any more of it
And either God and Satan are the same person in the Bible, or the Bible give two conflicting accounts of the same event.
in the bible it never says satan wasn't a Freemason.
If you use an X-ray on the painting of the last supper, you see the all seeing eye.
its time you knew the truth.
Honestly, is God really evil? The world mocks and scorns Him for such complex feats
of will of which the sole purpose for why all of these things happened was to lead
up to Jesus Christ. God always wanted Jesus to come and save us from sin, death,
and judgment; it’s always been His plan.
I’m sorry, I’m confused. Are you referring to all the people God commanded be killed and
allowed to be killed to show just a taste of His wrath and justice? A wrath and justice that
cannot be appeased by anything we as humans can do. A wrath that needs to be paid for
whether it’s a person who pays for it eternally in hell or Christ who paid for it on the cross.
Than why did he kill or command the death of all who opposed him in the Bible? Why would he send people to hell for not accepting his authority? Are you saying that he wanted people to do wrong, but than punished them for doing wrong?